Re: Newcomer and descendant of Archibald Livingston
Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 2:16 am
Hi Stephen,
In regards to your questions regarding the DNA test, I would advise that you go with the familytreedna y chromosome 67 marker test and would be more than happy to sponsor that test as you may well be one of the last of your Morvern Livingston family line that is interested in our Project and more significantly quite likely descended from Donald Livingstone's brother Ewen (Hugh) Livingstone of Savary Morvern. Will the test sort help to identify the father of Hugh Livingston husband of Effy Campbell who settled with her children including your ancestor John Livingston in Lawrence County, Ohio? Probably not unfortunately but what it will do is to better tell us how your likely old Savary Livingstone line likely connected to the famous Donald Livingstone 1728-1816 of Savary family and his father John Livingstone is connected with the three other Livingstons of Morvern Livingston ancestry in Clan Maclea Livingstone Society DNA project. I can have Kyle Maclea one of our DNA Project coordinators and our former Clan Commissioner contact you, get your address and in a few weeks I can have a familytreedna kit sent to your home address. I think the test will confirm your ancestral connection with the Morvern Livingstons as a family group in that part of Western Argyll and I think bring us closer to linking all these Livingstons of Morvern ancestral origin to perhaps a common Savary, Morvern ancestor possibly from the year 1600. More on that tomorrow.
I think it is quite likely that the Scioto County Livingstons and the Lawrence County Livingston share a common Savary Morvern Livingstone ancestry though in retrospect I think I jumped the gun a bit and having made a strong case in favour Effy Campbell's husband the Hugh Livingston born in the early 1800's being the Duncan Livingston and Catharine Cameron. I do think the letter you have suggests that Ann Livingston of Lawrence County family was a cousin of some sort of Duncan Livingston and probably like Duncan the lawyer and family historian ancestrally connected to the famous Donald Livingstone 1728-1816 through his brother Hugh like Duncan. We can't test anyone in Duncan's family line because he never married and he was an only child. His father got his two brothers from Morvern to join him in Ohio but they did not marry and have a family either. So regrettably we can't test to compare modern day two modern day descendants of the the two families. So you are basically our last hope. It is quite likely that my Livingston cousin a descendant of my Livingston ancestor Miles Livingston is also connected to the Savary, family but I won't know that until someone with probable links to the Savary Morvern Livingstones is tested and his results compared with my Livingston cousin. So far my Livingston cousin of 67 genetic markers tested was only 3 marker different out of 67 markers tested with one Movern Livingston and with the most recent one even closer related with a genetic difference of only one marker out of a total 67 markers tested so I assume that the test results are pointing to a strong Morvern Livingston family connection to other Morvern Livingston. These very positive test results with the y chromosome 67 marker test with the three Morvern Livingstons tested so far I think is encouraging, but unfortunately as you can imagine it is difficult to find Livingstons of Morvern Livingston ancestry. I don't think it necessary for your brother to be tested as you both would share virtually the same Y chromosome test results.
I really appreciate Kristen's efforts to locate you, another descendant of Hugh Livingston and Effy Campbell. I know how much work she has put into her Hugh Livingston and Effy Campbell research so I think we should take our time and consider all the Hugh Livingston scenarios rather than be too hasty in concluding who Hugh Levingston's parents were or weren't. I would feel a whole lot better if you and Kristen in the end would make any decisions regarding who your ancestors are and not me. I am more than happy to contribute however i can, but I want you both to be happy with the information coming from the forum regarding your ancestor Hugh Livingston husband of Effy Campbell of Lawrence County, Ohio.
Many of the birth records for Morvern Parish are missing and incomplete which does not help to give us an accurate picture of these early 19th century Morvern Livingston families and the ones before 1803 well I really don't know what happened to them. Neighbouring Lismore and Appin Parish records go as far back as late 1750's. If only we were so lucky with the Morvern records it would perhaps make all of this a lot easier.
regards,
Donald
In regards to your questions regarding the DNA test, I would advise that you go with the familytreedna y chromosome 67 marker test and would be more than happy to sponsor that test as you may well be one of the last of your Morvern Livingston family line that is interested in our Project and more significantly quite likely descended from Donald Livingstone's brother Ewen (Hugh) Livingstone of Savary Morvern. Will the test sort help to identify the father of Hugh Livingston husband of Effy Campbell who settled with her children including your ancestor John Livingston in Lawrence County, Ohio? Probably not unfortunately but what it will do is to better tell us how your likely old Savary Livingstone line likely connected to the famous Donald Livingstone 1728-1816 of Savary family and his father John Livingstone is connected with the three other Livingstons of Morvern Livingston ancestry in Clan Maclea Livingstone Society DNA project. I can have Kyle Maclea one of our DNA Project coordinators and our former Clan Commissioner contact you, get your address and in a few weeks I can have a familytreedna kit sent to your home address. I think the test will confirm your ancestral connection with the Morvern Livingstons as a family group in that part of Western Argyll and I think bring us closer to linking all these Livingstons of Morvern ancestral origin to perhaps a common Savary, Morvern ancestor possibly from the year 1600. More on that tomorrow.
I think it is quite likely that the Scioto County Livingstons and the Lawrence County Livingston share a common Savary Morvern Livingstone ancestry though in retrospect I think I jumped the gun a bit and having made a strong case in favour Effy Campbell's husband the Hugh Livingston born in the early 1800's being the Duncan Livingston and Catharine Cameron. I do think the letter you have suggests that Ann Livingston of Lawrence County family was a cousin of some sort of Duncan Livingston and probably like Duncan the lawyer and family historian ancestrally connected to the famous Donald Livingstone 1728-1816 through his brother Hugh like Duncan. We can't test anyone in Duncan's family line because he never married and he was an only child. His father got his two brothers from Morvern to join him in Ohio but they did not marry and have a family either. So regrettably we can't test to compare modern day two modern day descendants of the the two families. So you are basically our last hope. It is quite likely that my Livingston cousin a descendant of my Livingston ancestor Miles Livingston is also connected to the Savary, family but I won't know that until someone with probable links to the Savary Morvern Livingstones is tested and his results compared with my Livingston cousin. So far my Livingston cousin of 67 genetic markers tested was only 3 marker different out of 67 markers tested with one Movern Livingston and with the most recent one even closer related with a genetic difference of only one marker out of a total 67 markers tested so I assume that the test results are pointing to a strong Morvern Livingston family connection to other Morvern Livingston. These very positive test results with the y chromosome 67 marker test with the three Morvern Livingstons tested so far I think is encouraging, but unfortunately as you can imagine it is difficult to find Livingstons of Morvern Livingston ancestry. I don't think it necessary for your brother to be tested as you both would share virtually the same Y chromosome test results.
I really appreciate Kristen's efforts to locate you, another descendant of Hugh Livingston and Effy Campbell. I know how much work she has put into her Hugh Livingston and Effy Campbell research so I think we should take our time and consider all the Hugh Livingston scenarios rather than be too hasty in concluding who Hugh Levingston's parents were or weren't. I would feel a whole lot better if you and Kristen in the end would make any decisions regarding who your ancestors are and not me. I am more than happy to contribute however i can, but I want you both to be happy with the information coming from the forum regarding your ancestor Hugh Livingston husband of Effy Campbell of Lawrence County, Ohio.
Many of the birth records for Morvern Parish are missing and incomplete which does not help to give us an accurate picture of these early 19th century Morvern Livingston families and the ones before 1803 well I really don't know what happened to them. Neighbouring Lismore and Appin Parish records go as far back as late 1750's. If only we were so lucky with the Morvern records it would perhaps make all of this a lot easier.
regards,
Donald