Donald David Livingstone iv

[Kyle MacLea]

I will have another look at alternate dates, but the only Donald Livingston/Annie McLeod (any spelling variation) births/marriages I saw were from the 1820s.

Kyle=

[Kyle MacLea]

This is the only Donald born Ballachulish I can find:

13916 B 1861 LIVINGSTON DONALD M BALLACHULISH AND CORRAN OF ARDGOUR /ARGYLL Scotland 506/00 0019 Scotlands People SR Births

This can't really be him if his father was born 1856, of course.

I do assume this must be his father, the only Donald born Movern within 10 years of that date:

12804 B 1856 LIVINGSTON DONALD M MORVERN /ARGYLL Scotland 528/00 0019 Scotlands People SR Births

Neither record lists parents in the Index. You would have to check the individual records.

I can check for his siblings if you give me the dates.

Here are ALL the Ballachulish records I have in the DB:

09339 B 26/12/1831 LIVINGSTONE MARY F LIVINGSTONE ALEXANDER N OF ARDGOUR MCMILLAN MARGARET Ballachulish and Corran Of Ardgour /ARGYLL Scotland 506/ 0010 0007 Scotlands People OPR Births
09600 B 29/07/1833 LIVINGSTONE JOHN M LIVINGSTONE ALEXANDER N OF ARDGOUR MCMILLAN MARY FR12 Ballachulish and Corran Of Ardgour /ARGYLL Scotland 506/ 0010 0012 Scotlands People OPR Births
09963 B 21/12/1835 LIVINGSTON ALLAN M LIVINGSTON ALEXANDER N OF ARDGOUR MACMILLAN MARGARET FR22 Ballachulish and Corran Of Ardgour /ARGYLL Scotland 506/ 0010 0029 Scotlands People OPR Births
10075 B 19/09/1836 LIVINGSTON NIEL M LIVINGSTON JAMES N OF ARDGOUR MACKINNON MARY FR22 Ballachulish and Corran Of Ardgour /ARGYLL Scotland 506/ 0010 0029 Scotlands People OPR Births
10490 B 02/07/1839 LIVINGSTON JANE F LIVINGSTON ALEXANDER N OF ARDGOUR MACMILLAN MARGARET FR23 Ballachulish and Corran Of Ardgour /ARGYLL Scotland 506/ 0010 0020 Scotlands People OPR Births
10491 B 02/07/1839 LIVINGSTON JANE F LIVINGSTON ALEXANDER N OF ARDGOUR MCMILLAN MARGARET FR16 Ballachulish and Corran Of Ardgour /ARGYLL Scotland 506/ 0010 0030 Scotlands People OPR Births
10538 M 22/12/1839 M LIVINGSTON JOHN N OF ARDGOUR MACINNIS ANN FR36 Ballachulish and Corran Of Ardgour /ARGYLL Scotland 506/ 0010 0050 Scotlands People OPR Marriages
10539 M 22/12/1839 M LIVINGSTONE JOHN N OF ARDGOUR MACINNES ANN Ballachulish and Corran Of Ardgour /ARGYLL Scotland 506/ 0010 0039 Scotlands People OPR Marriages
10641 B 28/07/1840 LIVINGSTON ANN F LIVINGSTON ALEXANDER N OF ARDGOUR MCMILLAN MARGARET FR23 Ballachulish and Corran Of Ardgour /ARGYLL Scotland 506/ 0010 0030 Scotlands People OPR Births
10642 B 28/07/1840 LIVINGSTONE ANN F LIVINGSTONE ALEXANDER N OF ARDGOUR MCMILLAN MARGARET FR17 Ballachulish and Corran Of Ardgour /ARGYLL Scotland 506/ 0010 0022 Scotlands People OPR Births
10793 M 25/09/1841 F MACDONALD ALEXANDER N OF ARDGOUR LIVINGSTON ANN FR36 Ballachulish and Corran Of Ardgour /ARGYLL Scotland 506/ 0010 0050 Scotlands People OPR Marriages
10794 M 25/09/1841 F MCDONALD ALEXANDER N OF ARDGOUR LIVINGSTONE ANN Ballachulish and Corran Of Ardgour /ARGYLL Scotland 506/ 0010 0039 Scotlands People OPR Marriages
10834 B 31/12/1841 LIVINGSTON DUNCAN M LIVINGSTON ALEXANDER N OF ARDGOUR MACMILLAN MARGARET FR23 Ballachulish and Corran Of Ardgour /ARGYLL Scotland 506/ 0010 0031 Scotlands People OPR Births
11448 M 25/07/1846 F MACCOLL DUNCAN N OF ARDGOUR LIVINGSTON ANN FR38 Ballachulish and Corran Of Ardgour /ARGYLL Scotland 506/ 0010 0052 Scotlands People OPR Marriages
12285 M 05/12/1852 F MCKENZIE ALEXANDER N OF ARDGOUR LIVINGSTON MARY Ballachulish and Corran Of Ardgour /ARGYLL Scotland 506/ 0010 0048 Scotlands People OPR Marriages
13154 M 1857 F MCGILLIVRAY JAMES LIVINGSTON MARY BALLACHULISH AND CORRAN OF ARDGOUR /ARGYLL Scotland 506/00 0001 Scotlands People SR Marriages
13916 B 1861 LIVINGSTON DONALD M BALLACHULISH AND CORRAN OF ARDGOUR /ARGYLL Scotland 506/00 0019 Scotlands People SR Births
15170 M 1866 F GILLES JOHN LIVINGSTON JANE BALLACHULISH AND CORRAN OF ARDGOUR /ARGYLL Scotland 506/00 0003 Scotlands People SR Marriages
15840 M 1869 F MCPHERSON JAMES LIVINGSTON MARGARET BALLACHULISH AND CORRAN OF ARDGOUR /ARGYLL Scotland 506/00 0002 Scotlands People SR Marriages
18903 M 1883 F CAMERON ALEXANDER LIVINGSTON ANN BALLACHULISH AND CORRAN OF ARDGOUR /ARGYLL Scotland 506/00 0002 Scotlands People SR Marriages


Kyle=

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Kyle,
Im ok with Donald Livingston born 1856. at Morvern I found his birth record . Were ok there. Still looking for Donald Livingston born abt. 1886 however.

regards,

Donald

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Kyle,

How about Laughlin Livingston born abt. 1889 or 1890 at Balachulish? Parents Donald and Annie

regards,

Donald

[Kyle MacLea]

How about Laughlin Livingston born abt. 1889 or 1890 at Balachulish? Parents Donald and Annie

For our database (which is just an index), we don't have parents' names for those in the birth records after 1850. We have them for marriage records though.

I don't see anyone spelled quite like that in that time frame:

I have a Lachlan born 1888 but in Kilmore and Kilbride...

19862 B 1888 LIVINGSTONE LACHLAN M KILMORE AND KILBRIDE /ARGYLL Scotland 523/00 0014 Scotlands People SR Births

I also have a Lachlin in 1888 in Bothwell:

19801 B 1888 LIVINGSTON LACHLIN M BOTHWELL /LANARK Scotland 625/01 0425 Scotlands People SR Births

And a Lauchlan in 1889 in Duror:

19995 B 1889 LIVINGSTON LAUCHLAN M DUROR /ARGYLL Scotland 525/04 0012 Scotlands People SR Births

There are NO birth records in Ballachulish from this time period that are Livingston/e or MacLea-type names.

Kyle=

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Kyle,

I see you have a Laughlin in Duror for 1889. Do you have a Donald in Duror for 1886 or 1887? Duror is 6 miles southwest of Ballachulish the name and year seems correct. Donald's brother Laughlin was born 1889 or 1890 in the Ballachulish but the church records and baptism may have happened in Duror. Anyways if I can find out the parents of both Donald b.1886 and Laughlin 1889 and if they both are in the Duror records then we can sort this out.

regards,

Donald

[Kyle MacLea]

This could be the family in Duror?

B 1886 LIVINGSTON DONALD M DUROR /ARGYLL Scotland 525/04 0012 Scotlands People SR Births
B 1889 LIVINGSTON LAUCHLAN M DUROR /ARGYLL Scotland 525/04 0012 Scotlands People SR Births
B 1891 LIVINGSTON BESSIE SARAH F DUROR /ARGYLL Scotland 525/04 0004 Scotlands People SR Births
B 1900 LIVINGSTON JOHN M DUROR /ARGYLL Scotland 525/04 0001 Scotlands People SR Births

I still can't find a Donald b. 1856 in Ballachulish, but I realized it might be under "Glencoe and Ballachulish." Whoops.

This is all I see there though:
B 1856 LIVINGSTON MARGARET F GLENCOE AND BALLACHULISH /ARGYLL Scotland 525/03 0016 Scotlands People SR Births
B 1859 LIVINGSTON JOHN M GLENCOE AND BALLACHULISH /ARGYLL Scotland 525/03 0009 Scotlands People SR Births
1865 LIVINGSTON JOHN M GLENCOE AND BALLACHULISH /ARGYLL Scotland 525/03 0029 Scotlands People SR Births
1866 LIVINGSTON JOHN M GLENCOE AND BALLACHULISH /ARGYLL Scotland 525/03 0011 Scotlands People SR Births
1867 LIVINGSTON WILLIAM M GLENCOE AND BALLACHULISH /ARGYLL Scotland 525/03 0028 Scotlands People SR Births
1868 LIVINGSTON ALLAN M GLENCOE AND BALLACHULISH /ARGYLL Scotland 525/03 0024 Scotlands People SR Births
1868 LIVINGSTONE SARAH F GLENCOE AND BALLACHULISH /ARGYLL Scotland 525/03 0023 Scotlands People SR Births

Again, no parents names are listed.

I think we need to look at the films of the Duror bunch and see if they have common parents that make sense.

Kyle=

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Kyle,

I checked and those Duror Livingstons are the children of Donald Livingston and Annie McLean? I suspect McLoed may be an error as it too much of a coincidence. I checked Scotland People. I recognise those names from census: DOnald, Laughlin, Bessie and John and remembered from my earlier research of Ballachulish/Glencoe people that Duror was sometimes mentioned in the records. THere is also a village of Duror a little southwest of Ballachulish so it all around there. I will check all the other records to see if it is Annie McLean or Annie McLeod. They are so close I say it is the right family of DOnald David. He said though Annie McLean was his great grandmother and I have so far come up with Annie McLean. Frustrating. WIll check the rest of the birth records of Donald ann Annies children.

regards,

Donald

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Kyle,

I checked 3 of the 4 original birth records of the children of Donald Livingston and his wife Annie and it is clearly Annie McLean not McLeod. I have to check John Livingston again for 1900 at Duror. It turned out to be another John Livingston born in Duror. Maybe he was born in 1899. I will check again. The other three were all clearly children of Donald Livingston Joiner and his wife Annie Mclean. And the bonus was that it gave a marriage date for Annie McLean and Donald Livingston in Glasgow where Annie McLean was born.

Children
Donald b.December 6, 1886 Benvear (Benview?), Duror
Laughlin b.Oct. 25 or 27 1889 Benvear, Duror
Bessie Sarah b.February 1891 Benvear House, Lettermore (Interesting. There are two Lettermores in Argyll. One is near Tobermory in Mull the other is near Ballachulish I know from my Ballachulish Livingston research. It is obviously the Lettermore near Ballachulish they are refering. The 1901 Census transcriber thought it was Benview but it looks more like Benvear in the birth records. ANd in one baptismal record they give me a further clue Benvear House, Lettermore. I have not a clue what Benvear is but I do know this Lettermore near Ballachulish from Livingston history. From the 1891 Census info plus this I am guessing they were situated around this time along the road to Glencoe around Lettermore near Ballachulish at Benvear or Benview House.
John b. 1900 ? I have to check 1899 the 1900 info did not locate the right John Livingston. There was also a daughter Catharine that I forgot to look up.

I have asked for advice and the overwhelming oppinion was that Annie McLeod is probably the same person as Annie McLean. Now I just have convince Donald that this is his family. It would be too much of a coincidence to be wrong and after all those double checks in the original birth records I know I am right.

regards,

Donald

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Kyle,

The birth record verified that Donald Livingston was born September 13, 1856 at Keil, Morvern. His parents Donald Livingston and Sarah maiden name Livingston as I concluded from a study of the census records. He Left Morvern Parish and settled in the Lettermore area near Ballachulish by the early 188o's. He then went briefly to Glasgow where he married his Glasgow born wife Annie Mclean on January 5, 1886 and then returned with Annie to the Lettermore area that was in old Duror Parish area neighbouring Ballachulish and Ballachulish Parish. I have checked the original marriage record but I will do that to extra verify that his wife's name was Annie Mclean not Macleod. Donald's grandfather was born at the end of year, the first born on December 6th, 1886 in Duror District somewhere around the village of Lettermore not far from Ballachulish.

regards,

Donald