Livingstones of Rutherglen and Alberta?

[Andrew Lancaster]

I'd be very interested to have contact with the Livingstone family which descends from John LIVINGSTONE b. 30 Aug 1866 Scotland, m. 10 Apr 1894 Rutherglen, Lanarkshire, Scotland, d. 17 Feb 1924 Calgary, Alberta, Canada.

Anyone know them?

Regards
Andrew

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Andrew,

I had no luck finding this John Livingston born 1866 in the 1911 census in Alberta.

regards,

Donald

[Andrew Lancaster]

I should explain my interest. Someone from this family tested on smgf.org but there is no way to contact them via that organization unless they "unlock" their results. Secondly they are not too far from the Bachuil DNA signature.
Best Regards
Andrew

[Roberta Ann]

Hi Donald;

Robert Livingstone and Margaret Menzies of Dull, Perthshire had a child baptised April 16, 1756 in Tullicull, Dull. Her name is Jean Livingstsone.

Alexander livingstone and Janet McLaren had Christian Livingstone baptised Dec. 22, 1757, Tullicull, Dull.

Regards;

Roberta

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Roberta,

Thanks for that. Apparently this person does not visit the forum so I am not certain he will see this info but Andrew was interested in his Livingston ancestral connection.

regards,

Donald

[jplivingstone]

I am a great grandson of John and Georgina Livingstone who came to Canada in 1904. John was born in 1866 and died in Calgary in 1924. I am actually the 8th John Livingstone in a row (oldest sons of oldest sons). I live in Utah where Sorenson's originates, but am not one who has done the DNA contribution.

[jmlivingstone]

Ref. John & Georgina Livingstone.

I have come across the following information on what appears to be your John & Georgina, plus their parents, the information has been taken from birth & marriage certificates;

1. 1864, Livingston, John ( Statutory Birth 652/01 0257 ), Western District, Old Monkland in the County of Lanark.
John Livingston ( Illegitimate ), b. 30 Aug. 1894 at Cuilhill, f. John Livingston, Occ. Canal ?eatman (First letter Illegible, or possibly boatman.), m. Agnes Lockhart, Occ. Farm servant. Neither John nor Agnes could write, both signed register with their X mark.

2. 1894, Livingston, John - Mitchell, Georgina ( Statutory Marriage 654/00 0037 ), 20 Apr. 1894 at District of Rutherglen in the County of Lanark.
Married in the West Church Manse, Rutherglen, after Banns according to the forms of the Church of Scotland.

John Livingston, age 29, Bachelor, Occ. Engine keeper, normal residence - 31 New Street, Rutherglen.
F. John Livingston, Coal Miner & M. Agnes Livingstone, nee Lockhart.

Georgina Mitchell, age 21, Spinster, Occ. Servant, normal residence - 59 Glasgow Road, Rutherglen.
F. Robert Mitchell, Coal Miner, deceased & M. Margaret Livingston, nee Hart, deceased.

Witnesses at marriage - George Livingston & Sarah Paul, & Minister of West Parish Church of Scotland, John Brownlie.

3.John appears on the 1871 Scotland census as a scholar, resident 40 Cuilhill, Old Monkland, he then appears in the 1881 & 1891 census as a coal miner & engine keeper. By the 1901 census, he appears with Georgina & three children, William - 14 yrs. / Adam - 12 yrs. / George - 10 yrs., they are resident 26 Regent Street, Rutherglen at this time.

4. His next possible appearance, is in the 1906 Canada census for Manitoba - Saskachawan - Alberta, resident in the town of Carnduff, I'm not 100% sure if this is the correct family or not, as none of the original children appear. Although they may have left home to work I suppose, given that the youngest would be around 15 years old.
Also in residence are wife Georgina & family, John 10 yrs. / Robert 10 yrs., presumably twins / Margaret 4 yrs.
There is also a Robert Acken who is listed as Johns brother in the census, I'm not sure where the Acken name comes from.

You may already have this information, if not, hopefully it is the correct family, & of some use to you,

John

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi John,

I noticed the 1894 marriage record as well but I was on the trail of the wrong John Livingstone. Looks like you got the right one. Congratulations are in order. I see a John and Georgina in the Canadian records in the 1906 Cenus located in Assinaboine District which was in present day province of Saskatchewan rather than Alberta that you mention but the children seem to be different. I cant find any John and Georgina Livingston in the subsequent 1911 Canadian Census in ALberta or anywhere else in Western Canada. The 1911 Canadian Census is the latest census available to the public. The later ones have not been released to the public.

regards,

Donald

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi John,
The children of John Livingston b in the 1840's at Monkland Parish, Lanarkshire and Agnes Livingston born Glasgow,Lanarkshire were John, William, Adam and George. I did not see John and Georgina Livingston in the 1901 Scottish Census. I see that John`s brothers were William, Adam and George and I think I see Johns brother George a coal miner in Rutherglen Parish Lanarkshire in the 1901 Census born abt. 1871 at Cuilhill with his wife Jane and family.
Heres John`s parents and siblings you mentioned from the earlier records you mentioned.
John Livingston age 24 and Agnes Lockhart 21 married October 18,1864 Cuilhill, Monkland, Lanarkshire
Parents of JOhn Livingston Sr. b. abt. 1840 at Old Monkland,Lanarkshire were John Livingston and Flora Campbell according to marriage records. Father of Agnes Lockhart was William Lockhart. Cant read her mothers name
I think I found John Livingston born abt. 1840 or 1841 a boarder born in old Monkland residing at Coatbridge, Old Monkhill at Heathery Knowe Colliery but nothing in the the 1851 or 1841 and no locating his parents John Livingston and FLora Campbell. A quick check of the origins of the older Livingstons of Old MOnklland Parish however indicates that most of them originated from Western Argyllshire are Highland Livingstons with families originating from Lismore, Appin and Morvern and islay origin, but not many of them by the 1850's. It is quite likely that this family is as Andrew suggests of Western Argyllshire origin and therefore as he suggests possibly of Lismore origin as the census record indicates one or two families were.

Son John Livingston born Aug 30, 1864 illegitimate at Cuilhill, Old Monkland, Lanarkshire parents John Livingston and Agnes Lockhart
1871 Census
John Livingston age 30 house doiver
Agnes age 29
John age 6
William
Adam
George

1881 Census

Carnwath Parish, Lanarkshire
John Livingston age 38 carter
agnes age 37
John age 16
William age 14
Adam age 12
George age 10

1891 Census
Cumbuslang Parish Lanarkshire
John Livingston age 48
agnes age 46
John age 26
Adam age 22
George age 20

They moved quite a bit by the looks of it.

regards,
Donald

[jmlivingstone]

Morning Donald,

I've got a few points left in Scotlands People, enough for at least one check, so I'll have a look later, see if I get anything further. I've got most of the census information, which I had intended to submit, unfortunately, while I was typing yesterdays message, we lost a large section of the roof on part of the house, during a storm. Around 100 mph gales, luckily no one got injured, but it will be rather expensive to put right.
As you say, they appear to have moved quite a bit, but all within a 30-40 mile radius,

John