Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Roberta,

Oddly enough my late cousin was related to a Chisholm family one of whom was married to a John Livingston. Not the same Chisholms your refering to but ones that settled in Upper Canada. My cousin was also related to John's neighbour Miles Livingston and this was our shared ancestor. Oddly enough the John Livingston that married a Chisholm and Miles closest neighbour Malcolm Livingston was not related to Miles as far as we know, but there may have been some connection way back when. John and Malcolm did not come from Mull or Morvern but one of the other islands but they may have still been born at Mull or Morvern. Our Livingstons and their cousins seem to have left Morvern in the early 1800's for Isle of Islay, Jura or whereever there was work before making crossing the pond for British North America. I always found it interesting that Malcolm in particular located beside Miles in Esquesing Township, Halton County, Ontario. Malcolm disappeared from Esquesing Township and the Halton County records and we dont know what became of him. Miles son Donald from Miles first marriage also disappeared and it looked like the original plan was for Donald to join Miles in Esquesing Township in 1819 and farm with him or beside him but that never happened. He was listed with Miles and other Scottish settlers that applied for land but Donald never got his land grant presumingly never showed up for it I guess. At least I never found evidence that Donald received land adjacent to Miles in Esquesing Township and checked the Upper Canada Petitiions and he does not seem to be there. He was coming up from Montreal to join Miles in 1819 but I dont think that happened. Anyways Miles had at least three sons from his second marriage two of which survived into adulthood and had families of their own. His one daughter Nancy married my ancestor.

regards,

Donald

[Roberta Ann]

Hi Donald;

Can you, please, tell me what you know about this Malcolm Livingstone? He is the reason that I asked you if you were related to the Chisholms.

I will find him again; although it was a while ago in Antigonish research and associated with a Chisholm.

Regards;

Roberta

[Roberta Ann]

Hi Donald;

I see the discrepency, now, in the 1881 census and the 1891 census: John son of Malcolm and Flora. His wife is Sarah in both 1881 and 1891. I am glad you pointed that out, to me. Otherwise I would tend to believe the Clanranald site.

I deleted the reference to the wife of John son of Malcolm and Flora.

Correction: John was married twice. Firstly to Ann MacDonald who died between 1871 - 1881 and then he married Sarah Cameron d/o Archibald Cameron and Isabel Beaton. Isabel was born May 1833 and died in Little Judique.

Regards;

Roberta

[Kyle MacLea]

The Scottish naming tradition, by the way, appears to be:

First son named after paternal grandfather
First daughter named after maternal grandmother
Second son named after maternal grandfather
Second daughter named after paternal grandmother
Third son/daughter named after parents (less often observed)
Third/Fourth...Anything goes

Some families followed this strictly. Others, not as much. But it's amazing how much it works in the old records!

Kyle=

[Roberta Ann]

Hi Kyle;

Thank you for that clarification. It a a piece of Scottish culture that will be valuable to our Clan researchers. Now if you could just explain the practice of re-naming e.g when a child dies and another is born this newborn will assume the name of the dead child. Consequently, there could be 2 Johns or 2 Catherines; for instance.

Regards;

Roberta

[Roberta Ann]

Hi Donald;

It sure pays to dig and dig.

John s/o Malcolm 1803 and Flora was married twice. Firstly to Ann (Annie) MacDonald d/o Rory and Catherine MacDonald.

Ann was born 1832/33 and died in Little Judique between the 1871 and 1881 Census.

John then married Sarah Cameron d/o Archibald Cameron and Isabel Beaton. Sarah was born May, 1833 and died in Little Judique.

Yes, Donald, genealogy can be fun. Er.

Regards;

Roberta

[Kyle MacLea]

Thank you for that clarification. It a a piece of Scottish culture that will be valuable to our Clan researchers. Now if you could just explain the practice of re-naming e.g when a child dies and another is born this newborn will assume the name of the dead child. Consequently, there could be 2 Johns or 2 Catherines; for instance.

I've noticed that myself, but never analyzed it closely. If there is a particular tradition out there, perhaps someone could explain it. Any takers?

But I definitely have a few of those in my family too!

Kyle=

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Kyle and Roberta,

I would agree that is often the case as in the case of my mother's great-great grandfather and family.
He named his first born eldest son Robert after his father so Robert was named after his paternal grandfather. I dont know that follow through exactly through the whole family but I often find the first son was named after his paternal grandfather as you state. But often I can unfortunately only confirm that to be true after I locate family records. But it is definitely a reasonable assumption to make in a number of cases and something to check out.

regards,

Donald

[Roberta Ann]

Hi Donald;

Now that we know that John 1832 was married to Ann then to Sarah. The information in the Census was correct. John and Sarah had no children. Also the information on the MacDonald of Clan Ranald was correct.

John 1773 first settled in Cape George. He went to Judique in 1803. Emigrated in the 1790's.

Regards;

Roberta

[Canadian Livingstone]

Hi Roberta,

That certainly makes sense. Sarah was a second marriage.

regards,

Donald