Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research
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Re: Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research
Hi Roberta
For what it's worth John Livingston signed over his property to I believe John Cameron on May 13th, 1806. The document was witnessed by Donald and Allan Cameron. There was no mention of money in the document and it was a very short document. It looked different than other documents of the same type. It seemed to be a very simple document, with very few details. The document was in very poor handwriting, and I hope I am reading it correctly. Looked like something that would have been drawn up on the kitchen table in John Livingstons home. The interesting thing about Selkirk's ship the Oughton is that there is not an official passenger list that I can find. I think the Livingstons in Georgetown around 1806, likely were Selkirk settlers, but I don't believe we can prove it. It seemed the Catholic settlers of Selkirk's voyage were not documented as well as the protestant settlers.
Donald:
Yes Donald I did check the conveyances index. I checked every microfilm index they had that was remotely related, including the mortgages and leases as well. I was down to the point where I was basically scrolling through the documents from the same time period looking for adjoining properties and etc that might give me a hint or lead of where to look next. It was getting somewhat frustrating and I needed a break to come back at a later date with a new set of eyes. I know that there is more information there, I just need to find it. I'm afraid it will be a matter of luck now, but this method is much slower.
This winter I intend to create a document of my findings thus far and put it in the family file at the Archives. I hope future generations will benefit from this work.
And the search goes on
Barry
For what it's worth John Livingston signed over his property to I believe John Cameron on May 13th, 1806. The document was witnessed by Donald and Allan Cameron. There was no mention of money in the document and it was a very short document. It looked different than other documents of the same type. It seemed to be a very simple document, with very few details. The document was in very poor handwriting, and I hope I am reading it correctly. Looked like something that would have been drawn up on the kitchen table in John Livingstons home. The interesting thing about Selkirk's ship the Oughton is that there is not an official passenger list that I can find. I think the Livingstons in Georgetown around 1806, likely were Selkirk settlers, but I don't believe we can prove it. It seemed the Catholic settlers of Selkirk's voyage were not documented as well as the protestant settlers.
Donald:
Yes Donald I did check the conveyances index. I checked every microfilm index they had that was remotely related, including the mortgages and leases as well. I was down to the point where I was basically scrolling through the documents from the same time period looking for adjoining properties and etc that might give me a hint or lead of where to look next. It was getting somewhat frustrating and I needed a break to come back at a later date with a new set of eyes. I know that there is more information there, I just need to find it. I'm afraid it will be a matter of luck now, but this method is much slower.
This winter I intend to create a document of my findings thus far and put it in the family file at the Archives. I hope future generations will benefit from this work.
And the search goes on
Barry
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Re: Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research
Hi Barry,
I wonder if the document we are looking for was somehow indexed under the original occupant of the land who passed it on to Colin Livingston. I wonder it lists the Grantor rather than the Grantee. If so we could find out who occupied the land in the early 1800's where Colin's farm was. It may be simply that Colin Livingston transaction was not indexed but the document pertainng to his land transaction under the name of the grantor or whoever is there.Just a thought but I could be wrong. I will contact my contact again on this one. I have an idea. Was Colin's Land in that 1880's deed transfer located on Lot 55 Kings County?
So you are thinking now that the John Livingston that sold or transferred his land in Georgetown in 1806 is the same John Livingston that arrived in PEI in 1806 and subsequently settled and received a grant at Low Point, Cape Breton? I thought you had more or less established that the land transaction at Georgetown pertained to the John Livingston that was in the Georgetown area prior to 1806 and connected to Joseph Livingston and married to Sarah or Sally Livingson. Absolute proof is difficult. Roberta's John might have received a grant in PEI within the first year of his arrival but I doubt that being the case he sold his property a short time after receiving it. There were a number of pioneer Livingstons in Nova Scotia and PEI who had the name John Livingston in the early 1800's which just seems to add to the difficulty of sorting this all out.
regards,
Donald
I wonder if the document we are looking for was somehow indexed under the original occupant of the land who passed it on to Colin Livingston. I wonder it lists the Grantor rather than the Grantee. If so we could find out who occupied the land in the early 1800's where Colin's farm was. It may be simply that Colin Livingston transaction was not indexed but the document pertainng to his land transaction under the name of the grantor or whoever is there.Just a thought but I could be wrong. I will contact my contact again on this one. I have an idea. Was Colin's Land in that 1880's deed transfer located on Lot 55 Kings County?
So you are thinking now that the John Livingston that sold or transferred his land in Georgetown in 1806 is the same John Livingston that arrived in PEI in 1806 and subsequently settled and received a grant at Low Point, Cape Breton? I thought you had more or less established that the land transaction at Georgetown pertained to the John Livingston that was in the Georgetown area prior to 1806 and connected to Joseph Livingston and married to Sarah or Sally Livingson. Absolute proof is difficult. Roberta's John might have received a grant in PEI within the first year of his arrival but I doubt that being the case he sold his property a short time after receiving it. There were a number of pioneer Livingstons in Nova Scotia and PEI who had the name John Livingston in the early 1800's which just seems to add to the difficulty of sorting this all out.
regards,
Donald
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Re: Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research
Hi Barry,
I dont know that it would help but you might check the PEI land registry office. They have pre 1900 land records and wills.
regards,
Donald
I dont know that it would help but you might check the PEI land registry office. They have pre 1900 land records and wills.
regards,
Donald
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Re: Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research
Hi Barry and Donald;
I want you to see this map. I enlarge it to 75 -100%. The names are married into each others families. Especially the McPhies/Phees and Livingstones.
http://www.gov.ns.ca/natr/land/indexmaps/138.pdf
Regards;
Roberta
I want you to see this map. I enlarge it to 75 -100%. The names are married into each others families. Especially the McPhies/Phees and Livingstones.
http://www.gov.ns.ca/natr/land/indexmaps/138.pdf
Regards;
Roberta
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Re: Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research
Hi Roberta,
Great stuff.
I was trying to determine what year those maps were created. I think they might have maps for Judique on the coast and Mabou and Whycocomagh possibly in Inverness County, Cape Breton where we have more old Livingston families and kin.
I found information for Lot 55 KIngs County, PEI circa 1864 but it just states Lot 55 was public land which is somewhat confusing or it could mean that Barry's ancestor Colin Livingston was conveyed land from Lot 55 shortly before his death in 1867 and never got to use it and family kept on it. I am hoping to talk to someone who can explain why it seems that Lot 55 was not available in the 1860's for settlement. Clearly from what I am being told old Colin Livingston had that parcel of land around Forest Hill, PEI lot 55 conveyed to him by someone individual or government and I intend on finding out how and who. I have a long list of land occupants from around 1864 but when I come to Lot 55 it just stated "public lands" no town named Forest Hill or Dundas for some reason. I promise Barry we will try and figure this one out. I am confident our Atlantic Canada bureau of the Maclea Livingstone Society are up for a challenging mystery.
regards,
Donald
Great stuff.
I was trying to determine what year those maps were created. I think they might have maps for Judique on the coast and Mabou and Whycocomagh possibly in Inverness County, Cape Breton where we have more old Livingston families and kin.
I found information for Lot 55 KIngs County, PEI circa 1864 but it just states Lot 55 was public land which is somewhat confusing or it could mean that Barry's ancestor Colin Livingston was conveyed land from Lot 55 shortly before his death in 1867 and never got to use it and family kept on it. I am hoping to talk to someone who can explain why it seems that Lot 55 was not available in the 1860's for settlement. Clearly from what I am being told old Colin Livingston had that parcel of land around Forest Hill, PEI lot 55 conveyed to him by someone individual or government and I intend on finding out how and who. I have a long list of land occupants from around 1864 but when I come to Lot 55 it just stated "public lands" no town named Forest Hill or Dundas for some reason. I promise Barry we will try and figure this one out. I am confident our Atlantic Canada bureau of the Maclea Livingstone Society are up for a challenging mystery.
regards,
Donald
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Re: Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research
Hi Donald;
http://www.gov.ns.ca/natr/land/indexmaps/103.pdf
Malcolm Livingstone - John Livingstone - Antigonish County - Livingstone Cove
http://www.gov.ns.ca/natr/land/indexmaps/117.pdf
Inverness County
http://www.gov.ns.ca/natr/land/indexmaps/110.pdf
Judique
http://www.gov.ns.ca/natr/land/indexmaps/108.pdf
Port Hood
I saw one reference dated 1865.
Regards;
Roberta
http://www.gov.ns.ca/natr/land/indexmaps/103.pdf
Malcolm Livingstone - John Livingstone - Antigonish County - Livingstone Cove
http://www.gov.ns.ca/natr/land/indexmaps/117.pdf
Inverness County
http://www.gov.ns.ca/natr/land/indexmaps/110.pdf
Judique
http://www.gov.ns.ca/natr/land/indexmaps/108.pdf
Port Hood
I saw one reference dated 1865.
Regards;
Roberta
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Re: Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research
Good Morning Barry;
Is this the Colin Livingstone who you are researching.
Colin Livingstone died, age 64, June 16, 1915. Catholic. father, Malcolm Livingstone. Both of Little Judique, Inverness Co.
Farmer. Single.
Dr. Chisholm, St. Peters, Port Hood.
Informant, James R. Beaton.
Is this the Colin Livingstone who you are researching.
Colin Livingstone died, age 64, June 16, 1915. Catholic. father, Malcolm Livingstone. Both of Little Judique, Inverness Co.
Farmer. Single.
Dr. Chisholm, St. Peters, Port Hood.
Informant, James R. Beaton.
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Re: Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research
Hi Roberta
No this is a different Colin. My ancestor died on PEI in 1867 and we found the obituary in two sources.
Also I took a book out from the library, called Georgetown - The Early History.
I found two things of interest.
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"In 1802, seven or eight highland families from Uist, Scotland arrived in Georgetown from the "Polly", and settled in the town and royalty (outlying areas of the town). The Hugh McPhee family settle on Cardigan River in Burnt Point (in area of Earl Walsh and Son property). In 1828 map shows widow McPhee and several other McPhee's settled there."
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"In the early 1830's, the town was growing at a moderate rate. This however was to change with two shiploads of immigrants, 63 from Greencock, Scotland on the ship "Staffa" and 39 on the "Resolution" from Plymouth, England."
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From what I can gather from this book, the lots that were taken in Georgetown around 1803, like that of John Livingston, were mostly undeveloped years later and these tenants lost ownership of these lots due to their agreement not being fulfilled with the crown.
Barry
No this is a different Colin. My ancestor died on PEI in 1867 and we found the obituary in two sources.
Also I took a book out from the library, called Georgetown - The Early History.
I found two things of interest.
1.
"In 1802, seven or eight highland families from Uist, Scotland arrived in Georgetown from the "Polly", and settled in the town and royalty (outlying areas of the town). The Hugh McPhee family settle on Cardigan River in Burnt Point (in area of Earl Walsh and Son property). In 1828 map shows widow McPhee and several other McPhee's settled there."
2.
"In the early 1830's, the town was growing at a moderate rate. This however was to change with two shiploads of immigrants, 63 from Greencock, Scotland on the ship "Staffa" and 39 on the "Resolution" from Plymouth, England."
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From what I can gather from this book, the lots that were taken in Georgetown around 1803, like that of John Livingston, were mostly undeveloped years later and these tenants lost ownership of these lots due to their agreement not being fulfilled with the crown.
Barry
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Re: Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research
Hi All
A little more information I have found out, is that in the 1841 PEI census there is an Alexander Livingston from Georgetown that I have mentioned before. I believe his wife's name was Mary MacDonald, and I'm piecing together information, but I believe he was a sea captain.
Barry
A little more information I have found out, is that in the 1841 PEI census there is an Alexander Livingston from Georgetown that I have mentioned before. I believe his wife's name was Mary MacDonald, and I'm piecing together information, but I believe he was a sea captain.
Barry
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Re: Nova Scotia/PEI Livingstone Research
It seems the maps on Cape Breton have been compiled in 1940's and 50's. It shows when they were created along the bottom of each map. That's too bad.....would have been very helpful.
Barry
Barry